Paul and I share our one year anniversary today. I had my mitral and tricuspid valves repaired at the Cleveland Clinic by Dr Gillinov. I feel enormous gratitude ...Read more
Paul and I share our one year anniversary today. I had my mitral and tricuspid valves repaired at the Cleveland Clinic by Dr Gillinov. I feel enormous gratitude for the care I received at the CC and especially for my pain- and complication-free recovery. I am also extremely grateful for the knowledge and support this community provided. Without it the lead-up to my surgery would have been a much more distressing experience. Adam and the heart warriors on this site have created the best resource and support system in the world for us all.
George Gardopee My wife recently showed me this - she snapped this photo the day after my surgery. I think I was post ... Read more
George Gardopee My wife recently showed me this - she snapped this photo the day after my surgery. I think I was posting my status on HVS.com at the time.
Ginny Turner George, it's hard to believe it's been a year! Your encouragement and journaling helped many others w ... Read more
Ginny Turner George, it's hard to believe it's been a year! Your encouragement and journaling helped many others who followed. Adam and this site of caring friends made all the difference! Continued best wishes for good health ahead.
Kimberly Eisenhut WOW! You looked great and are an inspiration! I remember seeing your update last year and also cannot ... Read more
Kimberly Eisenhut WOW! You looked great and are an inspiration! I remember seeing your update last year and also cannot believe it has been a year already. So wonderful you are doing so well and just love seeing these posts, so I know when my time comes, I have so much more hope for a good outcome and eases my mind every day :) Thank you for the photo and update!
George Gardopee Hi Ginny! Thanks! I hope you are still doing well. I liked seeing the photo of you, Louise, and Randy ... Read more
George Gardopee Hi Ginny! Thanks! I hope you are still doing well. I liked seeing the photo of you, Louise, and Randy at your mini-HVS reunion.
Thanks for your message Kimberly. One of the best things about this site (for me, anyway) was seeing the stories of so many people who got to the other side of this intact and recovering well. I’m glad I have been able to keep the ball rolling.
Rose Madura Congratulations George. Time sure flies by quickly. Glad you are doing well!
Louise Moore A high-five and Congratulations, George! Your great spirit and guidance lifted many a spirit marchin ... Read more
Louise Moore A high-five and Congratulations, George! Your great spirit and guidance lifted many a spirit marching behind you (with our invisible kazoo's.) This will be a most sincere Thanksgiving this year and every year after. Salute!
Klara Čičić Hahah this photo is so relatable, I too was posting on HVS.com the day after surgery...the pain, the ... Read more
Klara Čičić Hahah this photo is so relatable, I too was posting on HVS.com the day after surgery...the pain, the discomfort, nothing could stop me, priorities! :))) Congratulations and all the best!
Angela Meletiadis congratulations, George!! I'm so glad you can look back and see what you've accomplished in a year!. ... Read more
Angela Meletiadis congratulations, George!! I'm so glad you can look back and see what you've accomplished in a year!. All the best for you and your family!
Ana Brusso Congratulations George. Continued good health and God bless you.
Pamela Gregory Congratulations George! Your story really helped me get through my surgery at CC last month. Thank yo ... Read more
Pamela Gregory Congratulations George! Your story really helped me get through my surgery at CC last month. Thank you for sharing and Happy Thanksgiving
George Gardopee Thank you all for your kind messages and support. Pamela - it is gratifying to hear that my story he ... Read more
George Gardopee Thank you all for your kind messages and support. Pamela - it is gratifying to hear that my story helped you through this. I’m glad to hear that you are doing well.
Hello Heart Valve Community. Today marks 6 months since my mitral and tricuspid valve repair surgery by Dr. Gillinov at the Cleveland Clinic (full sternotomy). ...Read more
Hello Heart Valve Community. Today marks 6 months since my mitral and tricuspid valve repair surgery by Dr. Gillinov at the Cleveland Clinic (full sternotomy). I have been extremely fortunate in that I recovered quickly and have had nearly nothing in terms of after effects. No Afib, no pain, little (and short lasting) fatigue. I did not find the actual surgery and recovery to be as traumatic as the anticipation and fear before surgery.
I did notice an increase in my rest heart rate after surgery per my Fitbit. I did 18 sessions of cardiac rehab in January and February and between that and upping the Metoprolol dose things mostly settled down to pre-surgery levels. I don’t believe I am suffering from any side effects from the Metoprolol, but I would still like to be weaned off the pills eventually. A stress echo in March showed good heart function with an EF of 50-55%. I was able to do the treadmill for longer than predicted, so my stamina is somewhat better than average for my age (70). I am walking 3-5 miles a day and I have restarted light weight training. I can honestly say that the surgery is now only a surreal memory. We did travel recently and my sternal wires did trigger the scanner. They asked if I was wearing a necklace. I proudly started to show them my sternotomy scar but they really, really didn’t want to see it. In retrospect I’m sure people often try to show them even less savory sights.
Ginny Turner It's hard to believe it's been six months, George. Seems like only a few weeks ago that I was eagerly ... Read more
Ginny Turner It's hard to believe it's been six months, George. Seems like only a few weeks ago that I was eagerly awaiting word that you were out of surgery. This is a great report. So glad everything has gone according to plan and life has returned to normal. Your chronicle of events really helped me in knowing what to expect when my turn came. Continued good wishes - we both have much to be thankful for!
George Gardopee Thanks Ginny! It is good to hear from you. I hope all is going well with your recovery too.
Ginny Turner Thanks, George. Almost 4 months now and I'm doing well. My energy level is better than before surgery ... Read more
Ginny Turner Thanks, George. Almost 4 months now and I'm doing well. My energy level is better than before surgery and no real problems. I didn't do a formal rehab program but am back to Pilates twice a week and daily morning walks. If all stays steady, I'm hoping to wean off Eliquis and Metoprolol soon. Grateful!
Great news George! Blessings
Louise Moore High Five to you, George, such good news all around! Thank you for keeping us abreast of your recove ... Read more
Louise Moore High Five to you, George, such good news all around! Thank you for keeping us abreast of your recovery. It’s great to hear your stamina is so good and you are traveling. It now seems like six months isn’t so long a time to feel and live so well after such a surgery. Bravo!!
George Gardopee Ginny - that’s excellent progress. I envy you a little - since I don’t think I had symptoms prior ... Read more
George Gardopee Ginny - that’s excellent progress. I envy you a little - since I don’t think I had symptoms prior to surgery I am not really feeling better than before the surgery. But it is fabulous that you are doing so welll!
Rose and Ana - thanks for your continued support and good wishes. I know you both continue to provide a great support network to the others on this site. It means a lot.
Louise - it’s good to hear from you! It sounds like you are doing well too! You are right - six months is not bad at all. I feel it is pretty much over now (except for getting off the pills).
Charlie Geer George. Thanks so much for posting all of this and thanks to Ginny Turner for directing me to your p ... Read more
Charlie Geer George. Thanks so much for posting all of this and thanks to Ginny Turner for directing me to your posts. I aspire to be like you in a few weeks. Still nervous, but the more I am reading your posts the better I feel.
George Gardopee Charlie: I’m thrilled if my posts help you be even a little less anxious. My direct email is ggardo ... Read more
George Gardopee Charlie: I’m thrilled if my posts help you be even a little less anxious. My direct email is ggardopee@gmail.com if you have any questions you’d like to ask outside of the public forum. Good luck!
I’m now 9 weeks post mitral and tricuspid valve repair surgery at the Cleveland Clinic. I can report that the fatigue has long since abated. At this point ...Read more
I’m now 9 weeks post mitral and tricuspid valve repair surgery at the Cleveland Clinic. I can report that the fatigue has long since abated. At this point in time I am only suffering from slight itching around the incision. My Fitbit tells me my rest heart rate has increased by 10 - 15 bpm versus pre-surgery, but the people at the CC tell me this will likely decrease with time. I started cardiac rehab about a week ago but I think I may have to get them to increase the intensity. All is good so far. Thanks to everyone for your support.
Louise Moore George, you are recovering so well, healing on an ideal schedule. Bravo, you! Someone may have goo ... Read more
Louise Moore George, you are recovering so well, healing on an ideal schedule. Bravo, you! Someone may have good advice on soothing the itching around the incision ( aloe vera gel?) I'm sure the rehab will help to continue your healing just right, you're doing great, please don't push it too much! You're winning every day!
Randy Chapman Thank you zillions for the detailed description of your experience at CC. I will be there in a couple ... Read more
Randy Chapman Thank you zillions for the detailed description of your experience at CC. I will be there in a couple weeks for similar surgery with Dr. Gillinov. Knowing what to expect there and afterwards is a great relief for me.
Penny jester Gorge that is great here I'm 2 weeks out from getting surgery
I’m 10 days post mitral and tricuspid valve repair at the Cleveland Clinic. I am feeling surprisingly good. I have some minor residual GI tract issues but ...Read more
I’m 10 days post mitral and tricuspid valve repair at the Cleveland Clinic. I am feeling surprisingly good. I have some minor residual GI tract issues but almost nothing I would call pain nor have I since I was released. What little discomfort I have is more than managed with OTC Tylenol. I am sleeping and eating well. I left the CC at the same weight I entered but I am down about 5 pounds now (mostly muscle mass). My scar is healing well. The most distinct problem I have now is fatigue. I feel like I could do just about anything but not for long. I’ve been walking on the treadmill between 1 and 1.5 miles a day; it is too cold out for outside walking.
Good luck to all who have surgeries coming up. It gets way better when the anticipation is over.
Marie Myers I was surprised by the fatigue post surgery. Some of it may be due to a lower than normal hemoglobin, ... Read more
Marie Myers I was surprised by the fatigue post surgery. Some of it may be due to a lower than normal hemoglobin, which is an expected side effect of the blood loss during surgery. As my hemoglobin(blood count) increased back to my normal range, the fatigue lessened. You sound like you are doing well on the treadmill, though!. Slow and steady wins this “race” through recovery.
George Gardopee Marie: I agree with you about the anemia. I was low on iron while in the hospital. I will be getting ... Read more
George Gardopee Marie: I agree with you about the anemia. I was low on iron while in the hospital. I will be getting another blood test this week locally. Tomorrow we are driving back to CC for the post-surgical follow-up visit (EKG, X-ray, stitches removal).
Jay Heagerty Happy to hear your recovery is going well!
Ginny Turner Great progress, George! So glad things are going well.
Deena Z You're way ahead, given it has been only 10 days. Outstanding, George.
George Gardopee I am traveling back from CC after my surgical follow-up appointment. All good. I guess my sell-by d ... Read more
George Gardopee I am traveling back from CC after my surgical follow-up appointment. All good. I guess my sell-by date has been extended. Thanks to everyone for their support and best wishes.
Ginny Turner Hi George, hope your recovery is still going well and you're feeling stronger each day. Would you min ... Read more
Ginny Turner Hi George, hope your recovery is still going well and you're feeling stronger each day. Would you mind sending me an email so I can have your email address to get your thoughts on something? Mine is ginnyturner@hotmail.com. Thanks!
Penny jester Pre and pro biotic help with gi problems
I will try here to document my experience in getting 2 valves repaired by Dr. Gillinov at the Cleveland Clinic. This ...Read more
My Experience at Cleveland Clinic
I will try here to document my experience in getting 2 valves repaired by Dr. Gillinov at the Cleveland Clinic. This is being generated after the fact based on my best memory. I will try to focus on the CC experience more than on my own story; my details are probably not going to help anyone get through this. I will likely express some personal opinions that I in no way believe are universal, so please ignore these. I am hoping that some of what I will write here will permit others who are about to go through this feel more confident and less apprehensive. At the same time I realize that everyone’s personal experience is unique and I’ll do my best to not project mine as the norm. I am a terrible pessimist by nature and I expected the worst with respect to how I would feel after the surgery. I have been very pleasantly surprised at how well I felt at every step of the way, but please don’t think that if you don’t have the same result that you have somehow failed. As all the others have said before, this is a highly personal experience and everyone will not have the same result. The experiences that others have written on this site were incredibly comforting and valuable to me as I prepared for this for over 18 months. I had the luxury of time to get as informed as I think I could have been with both the good and the bad. I really hope this helps even just one person feel less anxiety.
As the tale grows I’ll add sections. Please add your comments / questions at the end. Thanks
George Gardopee Dedication
I’d first like to recognize how much I owe to my lovely wife of 45 years for supporting ... Read more
George Gardopee Dedication
I’d first like to recognize how much I owe to my lovely wife of 45 years for supporting me through this voyage. It would be unfathomable to think of living through this without her love and help.
George Gardopee Background
This is a short summary of my medical history prior to finding out I needed valve surgery ... Read more
George Gardopee Background
This is a short summary of my medical history prior to finding out I needed valve surgery. Wait for it... . There, that was it. I never had a PCP, any physicals I ever had were required very infrequently by my employers and were very cursory. I had ZERO experience with doctors other than a few minor sinus infections, and once I contracted salmonella after a trip to Japan. I had never been hospitalized or injured in any way. Any minor illness I contracted I would wait out. Time generally resolved the issue. I had been aware of having a murmur but ignored it. The details that follow are uninteresting except that they lead to a major disappointment when I got to the CC that turned into a blessing in a bad disguise.
In late 2019, just after retiring, I started to suffer vicious flu-like symptoms which included night sweats, fevers, coughing, severe chills. Without a PCP, I again decided to wait it out. I developed severe back pain early in 2020 and subsequently had what I later guessed was a brief (45 minute) TIA. I made an appointment with a PCP but had to wait almost two months to be “seen” (all telemedicine due to Covid). The brief PCP interaction resulted in a blood workup that identified iron-deficiency anemia and some vitamin deficiencies. An MRI was performed to look for back issues. The main recommendation to come out of this was to get a colonoscopy.
In mid-May I developed abdominal pain so severe that I drove myself to the ER. I was admitted and during the diagnosis process had an enormous number of blood tests, xrays, CAT scans, EKGs, and ultrasounds, including a TEE. The diagnosis was an infarcted spleen, infective endocarditis (IE) with severe mitral valve regurgitation and prolapse (flail leaflet and broken chordae), a systemic staph infection that had spread to my lumbar spine, and pneumonia. The cardiac surgery group at our local hospital (a very good one, I must add) were pushing for me to get immediate valve replacement due to the IE.
25 gallons of IV antibiotics and a splenectomy returned me to polite society, followed by 6 weeks of home daily IV antibiotics. I will be very grateful to my infectious disease doctor forever for recommending that I allow her to resolve the infections prior to proceeding with surgery.
At the subsequent meeting with the cardiac surgeon, I was practically scheduled for a replacement on the spot. The few weeks I had during IV therapy allowed me to research the issue and of course information on Adam’s site convinced me that a repair would be a better choice. The local surgeon referred me to a Pittsburgh surgeon who did repairs. I met with him in August of 2020, had additional imaging, and he said that he thought that he could do a repair (>85% probability). I had hoped for minimally-invasive robotic surgery, which he performs regularly, but because of plaques in my aorta he said I should have a conventional sternotomy. Disappointed, I continued to look for options.
I continued with 6-month checkups with a local cardiologist. This doctor, while I am sure he was technically excellent, would not answer questions nor give me advice about how/when to proceed. He was adamant that my heart didn’t require surgery, but he would not tell me why. I am a trained scientist/engineer by profession and I rely on data. I analyzed my multiple echocardiogram results and I could see that things were getting worse. I was totally asymptomatic, but I was worried about impending permanent damage. My left atrium was severely enlarged and other valves were beginning to leak. For example, I saw in what was the most recent echo results of the time that the calculated regurgitant fraction was 76%. I looked that up and I couldn’t understand how my heart could be so bad and yet I was still asymptomatic. My cardiologist, during a 10 minute hit-and-run appointment, answered “It would take me too long to explain it to you”. I found a different old-school cardiologist in Pittsburgh who spent the better part of an hour talking to us. He recommended I get the valve repaired before the deterioration worsened. As a side note, my new cardiologist said the regurgitant fraction number must be a mistake.
Since I am relatively close to the CC (two hours by car) that seemed like a good option. Dr. Gillinov stands out as the perfect surgeon to undertake this. I forwarded all the information on my previous testing to CC and his practice nurse contacted me and told me in early 2021 that he (Gillinov) felt he had a 95% chance of repair using robotic minimally-invasive surgery. Thrilled, I booked a surgical appointment for May of 2021. We traveled to California to visit our son for the month of April, and during that trip I developed what looked to me like a badly decayed tooth. Because of the dental clearance requirement and the small window of time between our return to PA from CA and the surgery, I did not think it was wise to proceed with the surgery, so I cancelled. On returning to PA, the decay I saw was determined to be a stain and of no consequence, but it was too late to reschedule. When I called the CC in July or August to rebook, the next available date was November 18th.
I had three primary goals for the surgery. 1 – get a repair rather than a replacement; 2 – get the repair performed by minimally invasive robotic surgery for faster recovery; and 3 – avoid CABG. At this point during the summer I had not yet been catheterized so I had no idea if this was to be isolated mitral valve repair or repair+CABG.
George Gardopee Pre-Surgery Testing
I booked the appointment for the surgery and a few weeks before the date I recei ... Read more
George Gardopee Pre-Surgery Testing
I booked the appointment for the surgery and a few weeks before the date I received a package from the CC with the day-by-day schedule. The pre-surgery testing and appointments were spread over the three days prior to the surgery date. In my case, I was to arrive on Monday November 15th for the start of outpatient testing. My wife, my son (who flew in from CA to help), and myself traveled to Cleveland on the 14th and moved into an AirBnB. Monday morning we went to the CC for the first time.
Day 1 (Monday). Arrived early. My first appointment was 10 AM. Let me say that if you are not familiar with Cleveland and the CC, it is a sizeable city and the CC itself is industrial medicine on a scale with which I was not familiar. I grew up in Philadelphia, so I was not unfamiliar with “Big-City” things, but my only exposure to the medical establishment was at the local (but excellent) hospital in the small town we now live in near Pittsburgh. To give you some perspective, last year, due to the Covid pandemic, I was admitted to a hospital that was nearly empty except for a few cardiac and Covid patients. I was in the Cardiac wing as were the Covid patients. I was supposedly on a “heart-healthy diet”. But, during the evening, a nurse would knock on the door and stick her head in and say “Hey George – do you want some pizza?”. Donuts were also apparently not prohibited. This area has a large percentage of the population that makes friends quickly and doesn’t take rules as inviolate. The CC bears no resemblance to my local hospital in that regard.
The feel of the Clinic on arrival is a lot like visiting the UN in New York. Huge, semicircular building, gleaming modern feel, circular driveway around a fountain, and thousands of people. Crowded in the extreme. It is a city in itself. The circular driveway area in front was a madhouse of cars, buses, and shuttles dropping off and picking up passengers. However they do have valet parking at reasonable rates. Since I was ambulatory, we entered the parking garage and wound our way to the 5th level before we could get a spot. You can walk to the clinic using an underground passageway to avoid the cold. For those of you going in January, you will need it. Cleveland, I think, may be one of the worst places in the country in the Winter. I don’t mean to offend anyone. Seriously. But it is.
Because of Covid precautions you can only take one visitor, and that visitor is the ONLY person who will be allowed in the building during your stay. Masks are mandatory for all and they take it very seriously. There will be an exception for the patient when in ICU and the step-down unit, but not for when the patient is in the hallways or is being moved. The restriction on visitors may change with time, but that is what it is now.
We entered the main lobby and had to answer standard Covid questions. Then we were released to enter. There are red-coated guides who can direct you to where you are going. They are polite but not necessarily always accurate.
We had some time to kill so we toured the lobby. As I said, it is a small city. There are several food service establishments on the first floor including Starbucks, Panera Bread, and Aladdin’s. If you aren’t from this area, Aladdin’s is a small (5 restaurants, I think) Western PA/Eastern Ohio Middle East Restaurant chain. We like it a lot – many excellent vegetarian choices, excellent hummus, good kebab, etc. These establishments are EXTREMELY busy. Half-hour wait or more is highly likely. There is also a cafeteria with a wide selection. Wait times in the cafeteria were much less than at the name-brand establishments. Your visitor will be well provided for during down times and wait times.
The Miller Pavillion seems to be designated as Building J. The 1 is the first floor, etc.. All the J1 desks are at lobby level.
Here was my test schedule for the first day (Monday)
10:00 AM Lab Visit – Desk J1-4
10:15 AM – EKG – Desk J1-4
10:30 AM – Xray – Desk J1-4
11:00 AM – Echocardiogram Desk JB-2 (Basement)
12:15 PM – Cardiology consultation Desk J2-4 (second floor)
2:15 PM – CT scan Desk J1-4
3:30 PM – Covid test MN “P” Building (the only test that was in a different building).
George Gardopee Day One Details
The test sign-in desks were crowded areas but efficiently managed. Covid spacing is ... Read more
George Gardopee Day One Details
The test sign-in desks were crowded areas but efficiently managed. Covid spacing is maintained. You give them your name and date of birth, and that unlocks the process. Insurance cards and IDs are requested. I signed up for the “MyChart” phone application. If you do, it will give you easy access to all your appointments, instructions, and test results. Also the MyChart will give you the ability to upload information that will expedite the registration process including a copy of your ID, insurance card, enable co-pay (if required) in advance, etc. It will remind you of upcoming appointments. You can get MyChart loaded up before you leave for Cleveland.
The testing was unremarkable. Lab tests were only a blood draw. EKG was quick as was the Xray. The echocardiogram was longer of course. The CT scan was fairly quick but it required the injection of contrast via IV. Everyone was extremely professional and efficient. Maybe a touch on the cold side, but that is only my perception. I viewed it as another manifestation of the Corporate Medical Culture. As long as they know what they are doing, I don’t need more friends. At each test they will direct you to the next after reviewing your schedule on-line. In the case of the Covid test, that required them to provide me with detailed step-by-step directions that allowed us to get to the remote building without having to go outside. The schedule was somewhat notional in that the tests were not necessarily performed strictly in order.
One note about the Covid test – I was tested early in the pandemic during my first admission to the hospital early in 2020. In that test they insisted on not only probing my nose back to the skull, but also the nose of the guy in back of me at the same time. I was NOT looking forward to another one. At this one the administering nurse barely put the swab into my nostril, twirled it around, and did the other nostril. I asked how come they didn’t probe my brain like last year. She said they discovered that they don’t need to do that anymore. Praise be. So – don’t sweat the Covid test.
While the testing is going on, you will receive the test results via MyChart as they are completed.
The meeting with the Cardiologist was somewhat perfunctory. You will learn the meaning of the title “Fellow”. The Fellow is a fully-accredited doctor who is nearing completion of the training to be a (fill in the blank/specialty; CC is a teaching hospital). They are a little like the understudy. We met with a very nice Fellow who went over our test results (EKG and Echo) and she offered to answer questions. Then the Official Cardiologist (named in the appointment) came in and offered to answer the rest of our questions. This seemed to me to be more of a pro-forma consultation. As he said, I was already on the Cleveland Clinic Conveyer Belt, so it was a little beyond asking questions about whether or not the surgery was the right path for me. That said, he graciously answered my questions about whether the right thing for me (being asymptomatic) was early surgery and what the trajectory of my life would be like without the repair. I was reassured by the information we got.
George Gardopee Another observation -and this one will make me sound like a boomer for sure - we were struck by how y ... Read more
George Gardopee Another observation -and this one will make me sound like a boomer for sure - we were struck by how young the employees were. I was reminded of the scene from the Ricky Gervais film “Ghost Town” is which Gervais’ character is being wheeled into a procedure room for a colonoscopy. He looks up at the staff and says “What is this -are you all here on a school field trip?” We have now lived for so long in a depressed area where nearly everyone young moves away that we can no longer assess age.
I found nearly everyone I dealt with at the CC to be professional and beyond competent, but the younger ones, especially, seemed to be very sweet (if not personable), but over-anxious to please and extremely determined to not say anything that could be remotely off-base or offensive in any way.
Day 2 was primarily dedicated to the heart catheterization. You first have to go to Admitting (Desk J1-1) as it seems like the CC views this as an in-patient procedure. The admitting procedure was brief and mostly consisted of verifying insurance information and identification. I asked if this admission would also cover my hospital admission on Thursday. Apparently it did not, but they were willing to check the additional boxes so that I wouldn’t have to repeat this step on the day of the surgery.
The catheterization test was not definitively scheduled until the day before. We got a call from the Scheduling Nurse late in the afternoon of the day before and she provided the time we needed to arrive. She also gave us the preparation instructions, which mostly consisted of not eating or drinking after midnight the night before test. Small amounts of water were allowed for taking any necessary medications.
The process of catheterization was not at all uncomfortable or painful. A nurse retrieved me from the waiting area and I prepared by disrobing and getting into a hospital gown. A nurse then shaved my right wrist and a little of my groin area. The assistants told me that the doctor performing the procedure prefers to attempt the catheterization through the wrist if possible. If that doesn’t work, they will pick up an artery in the groin.
A bunch of questions, then at some point I got an IV port in my arm. When they were ready for the procedure, I was wheeled into a room that contained a large machine that was capable of positioning the X-ray source and detector at any position and orientation. It appeared to me that the X-ray source was below the table and the detector above. They administered a tranquilizing drug that I didn’t feel, but I don’t recall being anxious about anything either. They next said they were injecting a numbing agent into my wrist so that they could insert a catheter in my wrist artery. The insertion was painless. They next threaded a wire into my arm and snaked it up into my chest. I felt nothing. They can watch the location of the end of the wire on a screen. They snaked a tube over the wire, thus positioning the tube in the right place so that when they injected a dye, the dye immediately got distributed through the coronary arteries. Over the next few minutes they apparently injected dye and filmed how the dye went through my coronary arteries via X-rays. From multiple images they can deduce how blocked the arteries are. It seemed like the whole thing barely lasted 15 minutes. They immediately told me the results (in my case, nothing that needed bypass). BIG relief. They then pulled the tube out of my wrist, applied a pressure bandage, and I was whisked off to the recovery area. They want to monitor you for a few hours afterwards to be sure you don’t react to the dye and that the arterial catheter site doesn’t start to bleed. If by some chance they have to revert to the groin, you will need to stay horizontal for an additional hour or two as apparently the groin insertion point may require more time before the threat of arterial bleeding passes.
Later I was told the details. I had no blockages requiring bypass, but I did have some diffuse calcifications. One of my arteries, the Left Anterior Descending Artery (LAD – the so called Widow Maker) was 40% obstructed (70% is the action level for bypass). I later told my wife that she could wear black either on the top or the bottom, but not with black shoes. She was not greatly amused.
After the procedure, I was immediately given water and some crackers as I had eaten nothing since the night before. I was also handed a room-service menu and I could order anything I wanted for lunch. I ordered lunch and while it was not award-winning, it was completely passable. I thought about the dramatic gleaming building, the circular driveway entrance with the fountain, the valet parking, the impressive lobby, and the room service menu. I considered mentioning that I felt that small-plot Sonoma vintners were under-represented on the wine list, but I decided that my complaint would fall on confused ears and after all, it is a matter of personal taste.
Catheterization was the only test scheduled for Day 2.
Testing Day 3 – Office Visits
The third day of pre-admission testing involved meeting with Dr. Gillinov’s nurse, Anesthesiology, and Dr. Gillinov himself. I don’t now recall the actual order in which these occurred, but I think we first met with Dr. Gillinov’s nurse. We got some preliminary instructions about preparation for the surgery. She performed a nose swab on me to test for MRSA; but, she said that the test was unlikely to be complete by the next morning, so she gave me an ointment that was the treatment for nasal MRSA. I was to swab my nostrils with it immediately, later that evening, and the following morning before surgery. I was also given a bottle of antibiotic body wash (Hibiclens) that I was also supposed to use that evening and the following morning in the shower.
I believe the next office visit was with Anesthesia. They termed it the Anesthesia Clearance. Questions about what if any drugs I was using or allergic to, etc. A very nice Anesthesia Fellow explained the whole process that they would use for induction prior to surgery. All our questions were answered.
Dr. Gillinov came into the room and immediately went over my test results. He was extraordinarily business-like and he radiated confidence and expertise. He went over all the relevant details in less than 15 minutes with the skill of someone who has done it a thousand times. Good news – no bypass would be required, so the procedure would be isolated mitral valve repair. Less good news – the evidence showed the distinct possibility that a replacement may be needed if, once he was inside, the damage from the IE exceeded what he could repair. He reduced the likelihood of repair from high 90’s to about 70-80%. Worst news – the calcifications in my aorta were too great to permit minimally-invasive surgery. I felt rather shattered at the news. One of my primary goals (repair) was less likely, and a second (minimally-invasive surgery) was off the table. At that moment I felt a little like I had been the victim of a bait-and-switch. More than a year before I could have gotten a conventional sternotomy and an 80% chance of a repair within 30 miles of where we live. I mumbled through the discussion of my choice for replacement valve if that was necessary. I realize that that conversation was going to be necessary in any event, but I did leave the meeting feeling very down about the path I was on.
I asked about breathing tube removal. I have a thing about choking. Last year I had surgery but the tube was removed long before I became conscious so I have no memory of it. I knew that this time there was a good chance I would by quite awake with the tube in my throat. Dr. Gillinov explained that it was likely I would remember it, but the procedure they would use was to bring you up to a level of consciousness that would allow them to assess your responsiveness and ability to breath on your own. They would then remove the tube and gently let you glide back under the surface. I could expect to be quite sedated.
The surgery was to be the following morning (Day 4 – Thursday). The scheduling nurse said to arrive by 5:00 AM. Dr. Gillinov’s nurse said he prefers to get his “easy” surgeries out of the way early in the morning and put off the complicated cases for later in the day. That inspired some confidence, but I was still crestfallen.
Again, I used the MRSA ointment in my nose the night before surgery right after we returned to the Air BnB. I got a message through the MyChart app that lead me to the MRSA test results. I was negative, so the duty nurse I called said I did not have to use the ointment. No eating or drinking after midnight the night before, except for clear liquids and what I needed to take medication. I actually was able to sleep from about 11 to 3 AM the night before.
Up early, shower with Hibiclense, and off to the Clinic. Directly to the surgery admission desk on the first floor. They have a decent waiting area where we sat for maybe 15-20 minutes. A nurse came in to lead me to the surgery prep area. There I was instructed to remove all my clothing and to put on a hospital gown. I bagged up all my clothes for my wife to take away. They don’t want you to have anything with you, including a cell phone. Once on the gurney a nurse came in to prep me for surgery. That consisted mainly of shaving my chest (a 1 minute task). I had read that I would get shaved from neck to knees, but that did not happen. After the chest, they rolled back the blanket to get to my groin area and saw what had already been clipped for the catheterization. Apparently that was sufficient and the clipping ended. They then got my wife from the waiting room so we could talk for a bit prior to the procedure.
After maybe a half hour they whisked me to a different floor and put me in the waiting area for surgery. Not much happened here. They provided me with blankets and checked to see if I needed anything. When the OR was ready, they wheeled me to a hallway outside the OR and parked my bed. The cold air coming from the door to the OR was astonishing. An OR nurse came out to check on me and asked if I needed more blankets. I said I did and that marvelous person got me TWO heated blankets. It was wonderful. The head anesthesiologist came out and introduced himself to me. Turns out he owns a house in the Pittsburgh area and he was familiar with where I live. Nice guy, warm and sensitive. He gave me a sense of confidence.
Another OR nurse came out to introduce herself. I don’t recall if she said she was a doctor or not – she only used her first name. Let’s call her the Phlebotomist. She explained that once inside she would be starting an IV line and setting up an arterial line. The arterial line (in my arm) would allow quick access for infusing drugs but also provided real-time blood pressure information. After I was under the anesthesia they would introduce the neck line. Another warm, caring person who inspired confidence and allayed fears.
A little bit more time and they wheeled me into the OR. I had never seen one in person as I was not conscious for my last surgery. It was a disorienting experience. There must have been about 8 people scurrying around, preparing instruments and equipment, etc. The operating table looked like a board about 8 inches wide (it was probably wider). The lights above the table were un-worldly. I recently saw a movie-poster type advertisement for a science-fiction film that showed a woman, suspended in mid-air under a sheet beneath bright lights that appeared to be mounted to the bottom of a spaceship. Standard Alien abduction trope. They helped me move over to the plank where I was strapped down. A small board that protruded from the left side was for my arm, to which it was strapped. The Phlebotomist started by inserting an IV in my lower arm, then injected a numbing agent near my elbow for the arterial line. She inserted the arterial line. Not long after that Dr. Gillinov entered the OR, introduced himself, and had what they called a Safety Meeting. Not long after that my lights went out, and hard. After the fact I learned that one of Dr. Gillinov’s Fellows (a fully-accredited surgeon) and a student do the opening and the prep work including the cannulization required for the heart-lung machine. Dr. Gillinov then swoops in to do the tough part on the valve, they test the results and review the functioning via TEE, then he departs and his seconds close up and tidy up. In my case the opening started about 8:00 AM and they closed and finished by 11:30. Then off to CVICU (Cardio Vascular Intensive Care Unit).
My wife was informed by text of the time of the start of surgery, the completion time of the on-pump portion, and the time to meet with the surgeon. She said Dr Gillinov was thrilled with what he was able to accomplish with the removal of the tissue damaged by IE, adding new chords, and the repairs with annuloplasty.
ICU
Everyone has said that time doesn’t pass during surgery. That is true for me as well. However, my first conscious memory is waking up with the tube in my throat. Luckily I didn’t panic. I had found a terrific YouTube video entitled “Video 3 of 4 – What to expect as you are waking up from your OHS”. The source is “A Heartbeat Away 4U”. The presenter is a doctor who has also experienced OHS. I can’t recommend it enough. He describes how you will likely feel with the tube in your throat but he is very reassuring that you won’t suffocate or strangle. He recommends internalizing before you go under that you just need to relax and allow the machine to breathe for you. It was excellent advice. The only problem I had was that I wanted to cough badly and of course I couldn’t cough around the tube. I think I convulsed a few times, but if I had to guess I was awake for maybe 15 minutes or so with the tube in my throat. Long enough to be able to tell myself “Huh. I guess I survived this and they finished the surgery.” After a short time the staff came over (I think it was about 4:30 Thursday afternoon) and told me they would remove the tube and that I needed to cough while they did. I gladly complied and out it came. Again, pure bliss. No pain on removal. I never developed a sore throat. I can’t say that the experience of the breathing tube matched my hopes based on Dr. Gillinov’s description, but I can also say it wasn’t nearly as bad as I expected. My wife had apparently come to see me shortly after I got out to the ICU and she said my color looked good. She said she talked to me but I have no memory of hearing her and I did not respond.
I can reassure you that I felt ZERO pain or discomfort when I awoke. Or, for that matter, I felt nothing I would call pain much at all in the ICU. They are masters of pain management. I slept fairly well on-and-off for Thursday afternoon and evening. They asked frequently for my assessment of my level of pain. I don’t think I ever said anything over a 4. My personal criterion is that if I can sleep through it, it ain’t that bad. They also repeatedly ask you where you are and what day or year it is. I believe this is a Stroke Early Detection strategy. I actually got fairly good sleep that night.
The ICU is a bright, noisy, busy place. You can ask for the lights to be turned down at night. At CC the ICU rooms they put you in are open-ended – that is, the wall where the door to the hall would ordinarily be is a curtain. I was wired up with EKG leads, the neck line was still in, I had at least one or two IV lines, two chest tubes, and a Foley catheter. I was quite relaxed and discomfort-free. I asked the ICU nurse what the outcome of the surgery was (other than the obvious one). She said “Didn’t they tell you? They successfully repaired two valves”. I was relieved but the significance did not sink in for a time. I’m not sure it has yet. Apparently after entry Dr. Gillinov was able to cut some diseased pieces off my mitral leaflet, fashion a functional one, add some Goretex cords, and create a ZERO-LEAKAGE mitral valve. Add the annuloplasty ring and Bob’s your Uncle. However, he saw regurgitation from the tricuspid valve in excess of what they were expecting. The best I can determine is that the stretching the ever-enlarging heart was experiencing opened up the tricuspid valve to the point it wasn’t holding pressure. So he added an annuloplasty ring to it too. The significance of this is if he had attempted a robotic, minimally invasive repair, he would not have been able to do the tricuspid valve. So, I got a Twofer. The mitral valve went from a 3+ to a 0, and the tricuspid valve from something like a 2+ to -1+, which is essentially trace leakage. I am now grateful that he could not do the work robotically.
Taking inventory in the ICU: I had, I believe, one or more IV lines in one arm, a neck catheter, an arterial line in the other arm, a nose cannula for oxygen, two chest tubes, and a Foley catheter. About 8 wires for the hard-wired EKG monitor – you don’t switch over to the wireless variety until you are in step-down. The arterial catheter in my arm seemed to be primarily for monitoring blood pressure directly. I also had a blood pressure cuff. It would inflate automatically about every ½ hour or so. I found this to be the most annoying. Just when you’d go to sleep, the BP cuff would pump up. The noise was not too bad – nothing that kept me from sleeping. I consider myself lucky in that the chest tubes never bothered me much. The nurses are never far away and they continuously monitor your condition. If the nose cannula slips out, it is never more than a minute or two before they are back to adjust it. As soon as you are coherent they give you the control to the pain medication pump. It is a button you can press up to 10 times an hour (and no more often than every 6 minutes) to get a little shot of narcotic pain relief. I don’t think I ever hit it more than 3 times in any one hour and often not at all. I found that when I did, the tendency to fall back to sleep was even greater than it already was. I tended to use it right after my bouts of nausea. Oh, and an oxygenation monitor – the kind that goes on the end of your finger. One last item - pneumatic compression sleeves on my legs. These went over both lower legs and periodically inflated to keep, I imagine, the blood from pooling/clotting in my legs. I enjoyed them. I may see if I can find a set for home use. These are replaced by compression stockings in Step Down. At one point I looked at the red light on my finger, my pencil neck, and the numerous wrinkles and bags on my face, and it occurred to me that I looked like ET’s stunt double. I’m sure it is not an original thought, but I laughed anyway.
I should mention the kazoo. I remembered all the discussion by previous patients on the Heart-Valve-Surgery website about the incentive spirometers. In the ICU I was given what looked like my very own, personalized, very expensive-looking kazoo. The version that CC uses does not measure the volume of your breathing; rather you blow into the device and a check valve opens when the pressure reaches a certain level. The back pressure is adjustable. The concept is that during surgery they deflate your lungs so that they can get better access to your heart. Because the lung lining is sticky, some of the air sacks do not re-inflate completely. So, blowing against the check valve in the device (which is called a Positive Expiratory Pressure Device) causes back-pressure in the lungs to pop open the collapsed sacs, thus helping to avoid pneumonia. Kind of like when you pinch off the wrist on a rubber glove, squeeze it, and the fingers pop out. A respiratory therapist came through the ICU with some frequency to remind me to use it. The recommendation is to use it once per hour for 10 breaths. It was not at all strenuous to use. I am continuing to use it since I have been home. I suggested to the night nurse that they should actually add the capability of making the kazoo noise when they are in use. I thought it would incentivize people to use it, plus we could have inter-hospital ICU kazoo band competitions. He looked at me with a straight face and said “That is a terrible idea.”
A word about the neck line (for those who are worried about it): they insert the neck line after anesthesia is administered. There is no pain associated with it. Removal is totally painless as well. For me the worst part is removing the tape of the dressing around the entry point. I am not used to waxing my neck. I realize I will get no sympathy from the ladies, but there it is. Most of the first afternoon in the ICU I spent sleeping.
The day after the surgery I woke up feeling pretty good. No significant pain that I can recall. Not even very parched, either. I was still not yet allowed water or ice chips. I still didn’t have a phone so I couldn’t call my wife. They would not call her for me or get me a phone either so I had to wait it out. I think later that morning they brought a liquid-only tray – fruit drink, cranberry drink, broth. Sometime that day they got me up and into the chair. I didn’t have any trouble moving to the edge of the bed and standing up. I fell asleep in the chair immediately.
The little bit of liquid I sampled came back up within an hour of trying to drink. This persisted into Saturday. I later spoke to the doctors about it. They said they had no idea why some people have nausea and others don’t. I did and I can’t say it was pleasant.
Sometime during the day the first chest tube was removed. Relatively painless until the last inch passed through the chest wall. Discomfort was brief. I waited for the relief others have described but I did not get it, but as I said, the chest tubes were not a problem for me anyway. I believe the neck tube was pulled around the same time. It is funny how much of a victory it is each time there is one less connection. I still had the arterial line, the Foley catheter, one chest tube, and IVs. Many of the medications are added via the IV line, others by pill. I got a lot of nausea medications both ways. By this point I would classify what I was feeling in my chest as soreness only.
Another night in the ICU, still feeling pretty well except for the nausea. Saturday was much the same, feeling pretty well, alternating with nausea, etc. Coordinating with my wife for visiting was a challenge. I waited for her at one point and several hours later I called and she said she had been told by the nurse that the nurse would call her to let her know when a good time to return is. My wife went to lunch and the call never came from the nurse. It turned out the nurse called the waiting room and not my wife’s cell. So my wife went back to our Air BnB. Communications is not the strong suit of the CC. I’ll discuss that more later. I had the Foley catheter removed that day, but not the chest tube. The remaining chest tube was still draining too much fluid.
Visitation in the ICU is unrestricted with regards to hours (Covid limitations of one visitor of course apply). But, they dissuade visitors very often – during shift change, if some procedure is being done to the patient, etc. Each time the visitor arrives they have to phone in for permission to enter. That being said, you will not be very good company for a long time in ICU, so while a lonely place to be, sleep passes the time.
Saturday in the ICU/Transfer to Step-Down
On Saturday they got me up to walk. I felt like I was being prepared for an Extra Vehicular Activity on the Space Shuttle. I think it took them the most part of 20 minutes to make and break all the connections and to hang the instruments on a walker. I was able to do about 100-150 feet, mostly limited by the extremely crowded hallway and no other good place to walk. My wife returned and prevailed on the nurses to let me eat a few crackers. That greatly helped with the nausea and I was later able to keep down some chicken and pasta. Big relief. I had to wait several more hours for a step-down room to become available. I still had the one chest tube. I think, but I am not sure, that the arterial line was removed on Saturday. I think this was primarily because they don’t use it in step-down as you would have to stay tethered to the blood pressure monitoring equipment. In anticipation of going to step-down the nurse checked my IV lines. They want two good IV lines before transferring you to step-down. At least one of mine was beginning to fail. She made several attempts at inserting a new line and gave up after a lot of poking and searching. I had at that point what they call “runners” – when they try to stick a needle in my vein, it ducks to the side and the needle misses. She asked another nurse to try. He was very rough, and he failed too. I was happy for my nurse as he was quite arrogant and seemed like he was belittling her for failing. A third nurse was finally called; she tried a few times, failed, and switched to my other arm. Success. My left arm was covered with pressure bandages. When I got to step-down they asked me how I was. I said I was pretty good, but my left arm felt like it had been duck-hunting with Dick Cheney. Nothing. I think perhaps they hadn’t been born yet when that incident occurred.
Later that evening a step-down room became available so I was transferred. It was pure heaven. The step-down room was stark, bare, monochromatic, and very clean. Very, very, quiet with the door closed, I could control the lights myself, and while I was still connected to one chest tube, I could temporarily disconnect a vacuum hose to the collection canister and I could get up untethered to the bed. The temperature in the room is controlled with an in-room thermostat. My room was frigid when I arrived; they cheerfully adjusted the temperature up for me. But, it is not a homey or cheerful setting.
The hard wires of the EKG were replaced with a wireless monitor. No oxygen nose thingy. Although I could go to the bathroom on my own, they wanted me to collect any liquid waste in a container, so I didn’t need to walk to the bathroom. I got excellent sleep Saturday night in one to two hour pieces in between interruptions for tests, monitoring, medication, etc. It was wonderful.
Sunday in Step-Down
Ordering meals off the room service menu began in earnest on Sunday. The menu choices were not actually bad. There was a fixed menu for each meal pre-printed for the week, but you could also add anything else from a-la-carte menu. Except – since I was on a fluid-restricted, “heart-healthy” diet, not all of the choices are allowed. The person who answers when you call the room service number will let you know what you can and can’t have and what substitutions are allowed. Of course, no salt, no butter, limited fat, limited liquids. Sunday morning the standard menu included Cheerios. I have recently started to eat them again for the cholesterol-lowering value. The room service operator said I could have the Cheerios but not the milk as that would put me over the top for total liquid. Since I have not been 3 years old since the Eisenhower Administration I declined the cereal. The food was actually not too bad for hospital food.
On Sunday I walked. A lot. Of course at first they wanted me to be accompanied and to use a walker. They would spend time connecting my chest drain canister to the walker and off we would go. Using the walker was awkward as it had only two wheels; I had to tilt a little forward to get it on the two wheels and to let it be steerable. When my wife returned, I dispensed with the walker and she carried the canister and held my hand in case I wobbled. The nurses let us get away with it. Masks are required in the halls so we both had to wear them while walking. I believe I did about 18 laps of the hall that day at about 5 per session, each one about 180 steps, or, conservatively, about 1.2 miles. I think I overdid it as I felt a little lousy that evening, I didn’t sleep well, and I was fried on Monday.
Monday in Step-Down
I was very tired on Monday and somewhat depressed that I still had the one chest tube. I had had a chest x-ray the night before and the findings didn’t sound great, so that worry and the tiredness and the chest tube made me doubtful that I would get out on Tuesday. Also, and I won’t go into the details, the biggest problem I have with anesthesia and the pain drugs is that my GI tract shuts down and is not very agreeable to reawakening. I was unable to get as much walking in as I did on Sunday. When I did, I went by myself carrying my own drainage canister. Very early in the morning however a doctor came into my room and said “You don’t look like you belong here anymore.” So the release process started. The last things I needed were 1) get my GI tract back in action; 2) get an EKG; and 3) get another x-ray. Then a set-back occurred – while preparing for the EKG, I was rearranging myself on the edge of the bed and I stepped on my remaining chest tube while trying to stand up. A tube connection broke. All hell broke loose – it was treated as an emergency. While it hurt quite a bit for a second or two, the tube did not pull out and the stitches holding it to my chest didn’t break. The panic was their fear that air would go up the tube and cause a pneumothorax. Well luckily it didn’t but it took about 5 nurses and a doctor to fix the broken connection and get me reconnected. I think duct tape was involved, so I was reassured. A chest x-ray showed no issues. Sometime that day Dr. Gillinov and his entourage swept into my room and stayed for 30 seconds. I thanked him profusely and sincerely.
Early that afternoon a really terrific and highly-skilled PA came in to remove the chest tube. It came out with zero discomfort. However, when she tied off the stitches, it seemed like my head and my feet came off the bed at the same time as she pulled the knot tight. But it was so great to be disconnected from everything you can’t imagine. I waited the rest of the afternoon for one final x-ray and an EKG. Both were completed by the middle of the afternoon, and the preparation of the final release papers got underway. The nurses removed my remaining IV lines in the early evening and the PA returned to review the release documents and medications. My wife popped across the street into the CC Pharmacy to get what I didn’t already have. I got cleaned up and dressed in real clothes.
Here is what I was prescribed:
1. Metoprolol (slow release, indefinite use)
2. Lasix for fluid retention (for 5 days only)
3. Potassium to compensate for loss by the Lasix
4. Pantoprazole (something for stomach acid which I didn’t think I needed, but for 14 days only
OTC medications
5. Baby aspirin (clot prevention – for the rest of my life)
6. Polyethylene glycol (Miralax/Glycolax for constipation – if required)
7. Tylenol 500 mg (for pain relief; limit to 4000 mg per day)
8. Melatonin (help with sleeping if required)
In case of emergency:
9. Oxycodone IR (for severe pain, which after 8 days I have not touched)
I already had several of these items. We did pick up the oxycodone, pantoprazole, and Lasix. We have a good prescription drug plan, so I think the total was $9.00.
I was released around 8:00 pm. I was wheeled to the lobby pick-up point. When we got there a red-coated traffic flow person came into the lobby to ask if I was waiting for the shuttle. I said my son was picking me up. He asked me for the make and color of the car so he could watch for his arrival. Shortly after, into the car (back seat) and off to our Air BnB.
1. The Cleveland Clinic is an extraordinary facility staffed with highly professional, extremely competent staff. The surgeons, nurses, and support staff are all excellent. The level of care was very high. The systems they have in place run smoothly and are well managed. I feel you don’t need the “Advocate” that you need in other hospitals to be sure you get the right medication or are not ignored. I saw no evidence of mistakes or lack of attention.
2. Dr. Gillinov is an exceptionally skilled surgeon (understatement). If your valve if repairable, he will repair it. I would have complete confidence in his recommendations. Perhaps not the most warm human being, but this quality may be overrated in a surgeon, and you won’t deal with him much anyway (at least, not while you aren’t drooling). His support staff, especially the surgery team, is top notch. As I said, Dr. Gillinov does the difficult part (the actual work on the heart). His support team opens, gets you on the heart/lung machine, and closes. Their work I believe has a lot to do with the outcome with respect to your recovery time and post-operative discomfort. Top marks all around. I feel that because they have seen everything, nothing will throw them off. Probably the best place in the world, in my opinion. The nursing is very good. The pain management protocols are excellent.
3. I found that this was not a grossly painful procedure. That being said, I know that this is very subjective. I recently read an article which discussed the 1-10 scale that is in use now for assessing patient pain. As we all know, 1 is no pain, 10 is the “worst pain you can imagine”. So, while much better than what they used in the past, this scale is obviously variable based on either the worst pain you have ever had or your level of imagination. Someone who has been exposed, say, to wartime injuries or who has a vivid imagination about how bad things could be would grade a given level of pain very differently from someone who can only recall, say, a broken bone as a child. I consider myself a wimp with regards to pain tolerance, largely because I have not been seriously ill or even mildly injured. But, last year I had an untreated staph infection in my spine for 6 months culminating with the implosion of my spleen. I am betting my “worst pain you can imagine” threshold was somewhat reset. While I was in the CC, the internal criterion I used was “Could I sleep through this pain?” I set that at about a 4. At no time did I feel anything other than short-duration pain from vein probing or tube removal that rose to this level. I never felt that I could not sleep due to discomfort.
4. The nursing and technician staff will go to great lengths to preserve your modesty/dignity throughout your stay.
5. Unlike any other medical establishments I ever dealt with, the CC seemed curiously indifferent to finances. Maybe that was because I have Medicare and an astonishingly good Advantage program that is not available to the public. The admission estimate said that my responsibility for the total hospital stay and surgery was expected to be $ 200.00 (did I mention I have an excellent Advantage plan?). No one asked me for my co-pay for that. Copays for some of the pre-admission testing are required and can be pre-paid through the MyChart app. My experience with other systems is that there is almost always a Bridge Troll that you physically can’t get by before they get their cash (copay). HOWEVER – if you do have a financial question, LOTS OF LUCK. Before I traveled to Cleveland, I noticed that while I had received pre-authorization for the hospitalization and surgery, I had not received pre-authorization for the pre-admission testing. Since that was to be done prior to admission, I wanted to be sure my insurance would not deny it. I contacted my insurance company and they said they had received no additional requests for pre-authorization. I then attempted to contact Dr. Gillinov’s nurse. She referred me to the CC Patient Financial Advocate (or something like that) phone number. I called that to be put on hold for several hours. The message said that you could reach out via the MyChart for an answer. I messaged within MyChart and they referred me to the same phone number as before. The phone hold message said if you couldn’t stay on the line, you could request via an internet user interface to have them call you back. I tried that too. The next available phone contact appointment I could get was for November 17, essentially AFTER all the pre-admission testing would be complete. I called back my insurance company and a very diligent agent spent the next several hours on the phone trying to get through to the CC. He finally called me back saying that the CC would not release any information to the insurance company (say what?). So he put me on a conference call with someone from the CC who would talk to me but not him. We finally resolved it – everything was good and authorized. The moral of the story is don’t wait until the last minute to resolve any issues you think you might have because it may take longer than you can imagine to get the information you want. That being said, I bet the CC is very, very good at the financial end of this enterprise.
6. While the medical treatment systems and skill set are outstanding, their family/loved one/significant other communications is not very good. My wife spent a lot of time trying to get past gatekeepers and trying to get to the right phone number to get information about me while I was incommunicado. The medical staff that you deal directly with (nurses, aides, test technicians) will not volunteer any information that you do not specifically request. I was never even told the outcome of my surgery until I asked. I knew I had lived, but beyond that, nothing until I pushed the question. I would say it is essential that you get your visitor to bring your cell phone to you as soon as possible in the ICU. Otherwise, you may as well be on the moon.
7. The facility, while large and imposing, is well equipped to support your visitor(s?) for lounging and food choices. Trying to get to the facility via the front driveway is terrible. I recommend the parking garage.
8. By way of physical preparation, I found the most useful things for me were core-strengthening exercises in the months leading up to surgery. All I did was some planks and many straight-leg leg-lifts - the kind where you lie on your back, raise your legs straight up, then lower them until the almost but do not touch the floor. Do as many repeats as you can as often as you can. I capped out at three sets of 25 reps several times per week. I believe that as a result I did not need any assistance sitting up or getting in or out of beds and chairs.
George Gardopee I know you thought it would never end, but it has. I apologize to anyone who was offended or merely ... Read more
George Gardopee I know you thought it would never end, but it has. I apologize to anyone who was offended or merely bored to death. I hope at least one person finds some comfort in my saga.
I found this very informative. It’s great you had such a small copay. Did your second cardiologist ... Read more
I found this very informative. It’s great you had such a small copay. Did your second cardiologist recommend the hospital in Cleveland? How do they follow up with you again once you leave? Was the air B B costly that your wife stayed in as it sounded like you were there 6 days. This advantage plan you’re on, is it only for federal employees? Will you return to Cincinnati once per year or how goes that work? So glad to see you recovering.
George Gardopee Hi Christina. My new cardiologist is unaffiliated with a surgical practice so he was neutral but very ... Read more
George Gardopee Hi Christina. My new cardiologist is unaffiliated with a surgical practice so he was neutral but very supportive of the choice of Dr Gillinov. I’ll be going back to Cleveland on Monday for the surgical follow-up. Altogether we booked the BnB for 9 days . The cost was about $1100. Much less than hotels. We are on an Advantage plan from my wife’s employer (she retired from teaching several years ago). The plan is not available to the public. I’ll likely use my cardiologist for follow-up.
Esther Levin-Morrison this is great! Thank you! I watched YouTubes 1-3. I have to say; I am still a bit freaked out abou ... Read more
Esther Levin-Morrison this is great! Thank you! I watched YouTubes 1-3. I have to say; I am still a bit freaked out about being awake with the tube down my throat. I am busy packing and gathering my winter clothes as I am traveling from sunny South Florida to Cleveland on Monday. I am arriving a week ahead of the pre-admission testing and registration process.
Susan Lynn Wow! Excellent recap! I already had surgery, but found your writing interesting and compelling! W ... Read more
Susan Lynn Wow! Excellent recap! I already had surgery, but found your writing interesting and compelling! Well done! ❤
Ginny Turner Thank you so much, George! Your chronicle of events is so well written and helpful, covering every de ... Read more
Ginny Turner Thank you so much, George! Your chronicle of events is so well written and helpful, covering every detail and personal impression. Like most, I'm apprehensive about the breathing tube, but will watch your suggested YouTube videos. Another patient who had her surgery at CC in August said she did not remember the tube at all, so it may vary from patient to patient. Great tip about getting a cell phone into ICU as soon as possible. My husband will be there alone and it would be good to be able to communicate. I'm also on a Medicare Advantage PPO and will follow your suggestion to work on pre-surgery appointments approval ahead of time. On your list of meds, is a baby aspirin your only blood thinner? I was expecting to be on Warfarin (but would love not to be). Probably depends on individual needs.
I don't know how you managed to remember all of this given a very stressful week, nor to have the energy to write it down afterwards, but thanks to your preview, I feel less anxious and more ready. I hope your recovery continues to go well and you have a good follow-up appt on Monday.
Esther, best wishes as you head to Cleveland. We southern girls aren't prepared for Cleveland in the winter! After reading George's story, I am more convinced than ever that we're in the very best hands with Dr. Gillinov and the whole CC team. You'll do well and be on the recovery side soon!
George Gardopee Esther/Susan/Ginny/Christina: Thanks for your kind words. Ginny - I am on only baby aspirin as a blo ... Read more
George Gardopee Esther/Susan/Ginny/Christina: Thanks for your kind words. Ginny - I am on only baby aspirin as a blood thinner. I was worried about the Warfarin angle too (especially with my history of TIA) but it did not come up. Good luck to all of you. Please don’t hesitate to ask anything as your procedures approach. I’ll monitor the site for your inquiries. If anyone wants to ask something out of the public forum, my personal email address is ggardopee@gmail.com.
Denise Duncan I am three months post-op Mitral Valve Repair & Triscupid Repair surgery and loved reading your stor ... Read more
Denise Duncan I am three months post-op Mitral Valve Repair & Triscupid Repair surgery and loved reading your story! What a great gift you're able to give to those following you. One of those persons is my good friend Esther! All the best to those facing your upcoming surgeries at CC! Such great writing George!
Lauren Bongiovanni George, thank you so much for taking the time to detail your experience. Excellent memory. I found ... Read more
Lauren Bongiovanni George, thank you so much for taking the time to detail your experience. Excellent memory. I found it very helpful.
john roland Outstanding post George, I thought Herb Greenberg was good, you are off the charts. (please don't tak ... Read more
john roland Outstanding post George, I thought Herb Greenberg was good, you are off the charts. (please don't take offense Herb) You brought back soooo many memories from my heart surgery at CC. I had Dr. Roselli do my surgery. I will always believe CC and their staff are the best. Again great post and all the best to everyone as this year closes out.
George Gardopee Thanks John. This was therapeutic for me; I’ve been having trouble wrapping my head around the idea ... Read more
George Gardopee Thanks John. This was therapeutic for me; I’ve been having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that after so much anxiety in the lead-up to surgery (18 months worth) it is finally in the rear-view mirror. I can sympathize with your experience with having the surgery when you did; I was in a hospital for 10 days early in the pandemic when the no-visitor policy was in force. It was much better to have some company, however limited. I hope you are doing well.
Richard Munson Wow, george, what a memory. I can tell you are younger than me. I’m lucky to recall what i had for ... Read more
Richard Munson Wow, george, what a memory. I can tell you are younger than me. I’m lucky to recall what i had for breakfast although i think it was another piece of boston cream pie. Its good for the valve. Maybe not.
Herb Greenberg Wow, George, you brought back a bunch of memories of my stay, which ended the day the Covid lockdown ... Read more
Herb Greenberg Wow, George, you brought back a bunch of memories of my stay, which ended the day the Covid lockdown began in March 2020. I agree 100% on the core exercises pre-surgery. I did months of pre-hab, and when my GI shut down (fun, right?!) the end result wasn't, uh, pretty in the middle of the night. I amazed myself on Night 3 how well I did getting in and out of bed in the middle of the night, multiple times, by myself. And to what John said about my reviews (no offense taken, John...I loved every minute of George's review) - you left me in the dust. I cannot believe your memory of detail ... or maybe just your patience to write it all down. Then again, you were an engineer, so there's that! Once again, great great writeup.
George Gardopee Herb: I am honored. I regret that I didn’t see your posts until today. It appears I just missed yo ... Read more
George Gardopee Herb: I am honored. I regret that I didn’t see your posts until today. It appears I just missed yours as you finished up about a month before I found out I needed valve work and I didn’t start lurking on Adam’s site until later than that. Although I went back in time to read some members’ stories, I didn’t spot yours. I truly wish I had; your posts would have been a great comfort to me. Thanks so much.
Herb Greenberg Shucks, George, no worries. This blog is dynamic; constantly changing, updating. I'm just thrilled I ... Read more
Herb Greenberg Shucks, George, no worries. This blog is dynamic; constantly changing, updating. I'm just thrilled I stumbled on yours. What really struck me was how everything from your pre-surgery schedule to the day of surgery is so tightly choreographed ... it's the same for all of us, which is why some folks refer to CC as a machine, "but in a good way." It's hard to explain until you've been there.
Louise Moore George, your post has certainly helped calm my anxiety and I thank you for that from the bottom of my ... Read more
Louise Moore George, your post has certainly helped calm my anxiety and I thank you for that from the bottom of my heart - heh-heh. All the articulate and practical information you gave and give, I will use. Love your humor too! It's stunning to think of all the serious and surprising medical uninvited guests you experienced BEFORE your heart surgery and yet you maintain your wonderful spirit. There's a lot of life ahead for you to enjoy, the warrior within you will see to that. Massive thanks again for walking us along your path, we'll be rooting for you and following you as you're the kazoo pied piper in front!
George Gardopee Louise: You are very welcome. As I said, if I help only one person feel less anxiety it will have bee ... Read more
George Gardopee Louise: You are very welcome. As I said, if I help only one person feel less anxiety it will have been more than worth it. You will do really well at the CC. I am now a little over three weeks post-surgery and I am feeling almost nothing negative. I wish you luck in February. Your biggest problem may be staying warm.
Tim Traub George, I can’t thank you enough for your detailed and uplifting humor you’ve shared your CC expe ... Read more
Tim Traub George, I can’t thank you enough for your detailed and uplifting humor you’ve shared your CC experience. I am having an Aortic Valve Sparing Root Replacement on 21 Nov with Dr Roselli at CC. I am still processing the news I learned in mid June that 2022 is going to be a different year than I planned. Loved your Dick Cheney hunting story and all the other details you shared… you’ve really helped me with the anticipation of the unknown. God Bless and I will update you all on my journey as it unfolds.
This is addressed primarily to Ginny, Lauren, and Esther, but also to anyone else who has surgery upcoming at Cleveland Clinic. This site was a tremendous resource ...Read more
This is addressed primarily to Ginny, Lauren, and Esther, but also to anyone else who has surgery upcoming at Cleveland Clinic. This site was a tremendous resource for me while I prepared (for 18 months) for surgery. I’d like to try to return the favor if I can. I can document in some detail the whole week-long process of getting my valves repaired at CC including prep, pre-admission testing, the day of the surgery, ICU, and step-down. I’m sure the processes vary by hospital, but for those of you going to CC soon it may help allay some anxiety. I would try to not make it about me, since my own journey may not be a good predictor of how you will respond. I could try to detail both the great and not-so-great aspects of the CC “conveyor belt” as one doctor referred to it. If there is interest, I’ll start in the next day or two while the details are still fresh in my mind. I’d like to do it in one thread and just keep adding to it. That way others will not roll their eyes as I add new posts. Let me know if you think this would be useful and if it is, I’ll do it. I will risk sounding trite but the hardest part really is the anticipation. Thanks everyone.
Esther Levin-Morrison George that would be fabulous if you could do that for us. Congratulations on being able to go home. ... Read more
Esther Levin-Morrison George that would be fabulous if you could do that for us. Congratulations on being able to go home.
George Gardopee Esther/Ginny: thanks for your responses. The journal is well under way. I’ll start a new conversat ... Read more
George Gardopee Esther/Ginny: thanks for your responses. The journal is well under way. I’ll start a new conversation later this evening and add sections as I go. My update (and please don’t interpret the following as bragging in any way) - we arrived home yesterday early in the afternoon. The ride was tiring but worth it. Last night I full-up showered for the first time and got in my own bed around 11 PM. Pure bliss. I woke up at 5:30. Bathroom break, a pill or two, some water, and back to sleep until 8:00. I slept on my side (my preferred position) the whole time. Eating well today and I have walked about 1.25 miles per my Fitbit, including about 1/2 mile so far on my treadmill. It is way too cold for outside walking. It sounds bizarre but there are blocks of time that, except for the fatigue, I don’t feel anything from the surgery. I am still only on Tylenol and I sometimes forget to take it. The CC team is VERY good at what they do. I’ll detail the medications I am on in the journal, but nothing obnoxious so far.
Ginny Turner This is just remarkable, George. Can't believe how well you are walking, sleeping and feeling overall ... Read more
Ginny Turner This is just remarkable, George. Can't believe how well you are walking, sleeping and feeling overall. I won't get my hopes up too much, but to be doing this well a week out of surgery would be wonderful. Are you on Tylenol with codeine, or just regular OTC Tylenol? Thanks so much for this encouraging update!
Lauren Bongiovanni George- that would be great- thanks for offering! Glad you are home and well on the way to recovery. ... Read more
Lauren Bongiovanni George- that would be great- thanks for offering! Glad you are home and well on the way to recovery.
George Gardopee Ginny - regular OTC Tylenol. I believe my last narcotic may have been on D-day plus 2. Maybe one oxyc ... Read more
George Gardopee Ginny - regular OTC Tylenol. I believe my last narcotic may have been on D-day plus 2. Maybe one oxycodone on day 3 because I had depleted my allotment of Tylenol for the day. Nothing but Tylenol starting Sunday.
Sharon Behl Hi George, somehow I found my way to your exceedingly long post.😄It was just what I needed to read ... Read more
Sharon Behl Hi George, somehow I found my way to your exceedingly long post.😄It was just what I needed to read today. I have a mitral valve re-operation coming up and just enough memory of the first operation in 2021 to increase my worries. Your details grounded me back in reality. Thank you so much.
I have to say this was nowhere near as bad as I anticipated. If I hadn’t had the nausea, I would have rated it a three or four. Even the extubation (which ...Read more
I have to say this was nowhere near as bad as I anticipated. If I hadn’t had the nausea, I would have rated it a three or four. Even the extubation (which I was awake for) wasn’t terrible except for the experience of trying to cough while the tube was in. After extubation it was relatively smooth sailing until the nausea started the following day (Friday).
I finally got a step-down room last night. The hold-up was availability of a room. My nausea subsided and I was able to eat Saturday night. I was up and in the chair on Friday but they put off walking until Saturday. They are not well set up for walking in the ICU.
I got surprisingly good sleep (in between interruptions) the night of the surgery, and Friday night. I would feel amazingly good until I tried to drink something, then the dry heaves would start. Not a lot of fun with a sternotomy, but not horrible either. Step-down was a dream after ICU - dark, quiet, several hours at a time without interruptions. Solid sleep Saturday night. Oddly I was able to sleep on my side without discomfort.
I expect to start serious walking shortly. I still have a chest tube (more drainage than they want to see) but is neither painful nor awkward.
Ginny Turner An encouraging update. Sorry for the nausea problems, but glad that’s behind you now. You’ll be d ... Read more
Ginny Turner An encouraging update. Sorry for the nausea problems, but glad that’s behind you now. You’ll be doing laps soon!
Well, I made it. Dr Gillinov was able to repair my mitral valve yesterday morning. While he was in there, he fixed my tricuspid also ( surprise!) All in all ...Read more
Well, I made it. Dr Gillinov was able to repair my mitral valve yesterday morning. While he was in there, he fixed my tricuspid also ( surprise!) All in all I feel pretty good. The surgery started around 8:30 and finished about 10:30. I actually felt good last night (the tube came out around 4:30). A little nausea, but my sternum I would call sore rather than in pain. I’ll post more shortly.
Aimee Muhvic So glad to hear you are doing well! I’ll be having surgery in January with Dr. Gilinov. It is rea ... Read more
Aimee Muhvic So glad to hear you are doing well! I’ll be having surgery in January with Dr. Gilinov. It is reassuring to hear your story. Best of luck in your recovery 🤗
Susan Lynn Welcome to recovery, George! Sounds like you're doing well! Keep up the good work! ❤
Ginny Turner George, it's SO good to hear from you! Great news that Dr. Gillinov could repair both of your valves. ... Read more
Ginny Turner George, it's SO good to hear from you! Great news that Dr. Gillinov could repair both of your valves. Glad you are not in too much pain and hope the nausea eases soon. So glad you're now on the recovery side. Sounds like you're doing great.
George Gardopee Esther -not yet but expect to shortly. Ginny - I believe you will be very happy with your choice. Dr ... Read more
George Gardopee Esther -not yet but expect to shortly. Ginny - I believe you will be very happy with your choice. Dr Gillinov was surprised about my tricuspid valve, but he told my wife he only needed an additional 15 minutes to fix (annuloplasty only).
George Gardopee Nausea is subsiding. I expect to go to step down soon.
Deena Z wow, is that fast surgery. What a difference the minimally invasive surgery makes. Congrats!!!!
George Gardopee Deena -actually I had a full sternotomy. I was not able to have minimally invasive surgery because of ... Read more
George Gardopee Deena -actually I had a full sternotomy. I was not able to have minimally invasive surgery because of calcification in my aorta. The time I gave above is the on-pump time; I think it excludes opening and closing.
Esther Levin-Morrison Good morning! How are you feeling today? Are you out of the ICU?
George Gardopee Hi Esther. Yes, I got to step-down last night. Room availability caused the delay. I actually feel te ... Read more
George Gardopee Hi Esther. Yes, I got to step-down last night. Room availability caused the delay. I actually feel terrific! I am very surprised at how well I’m doing. One suggestion - work on exercising your abdominals before surgery. It makes an enormous difference in everything if you can sit up easily on your own. Using your arms irritates the incision area, but the “sit-up” muscles aren’t compromised by the surgery. I’m down to only Tylenol and I’m taking that less frequently than they offer it to me.
Esther Levin-Morrison love the picture you posted! Core Core Core are the three most important words. I am an avid swimm ... Read more
Esther Levin-Morrison love the picture you posted! Core Core Core are the three most important words. I am an avid swimmer and row a lot. I am constantly working on my core and leg strength. I am a bit freaked out about being awake while the tube is down my throat. I am so pleased to hear you are doing so well. Any discussions of when you will be released?
George Gardopee Not yet. Everything is out now except one tube. Still too much drainage but it is slowing. I’m hopi ... Read more
George Gardopee Not yet. Everything is out now except one tube. Still too much drainage but it is slowing. I’m hoping for Tuesday. My first walk was 3 laps of the floor, maybe 200 feet each. No issues; I can walk by myself if I use the walker to hold my tube drain container.
I just finished catheterization at the Cleveland Clinic in preparation for surgery on Thursday. Not at all an unpleasant experience ( for those of you who may ...Read more
I just finished catheterization at the Cleveland Clinic in preparation for surgery on Thursday. Not at all an unpleasant experience ( for those of you who may be apprehensive about heart cath). The good news for me is that no bypass will be necessary, so I’m a step closer to having a robotic repair. All testing is now complete; only the meeting with Dr Gillinov remains.
So far I am very impressed and pleased with the CC.
Susan Lynn Woo-hoo! Great news, George! You're so right about the catheterization - the name is much worse tha ... Read more
Susan Lynn Woo-hoo! Great news, George! You're so right about the catheterization - the name is much worse than the procedure. I tell just about anyone who will listen about what a "non-event" it is - there are so many people with blocked arteries who could be diagnosed and saved with this painless, short procedure.
Keep us posted on your progress! You're going to do just great!
Ginny Turner George, this is great news! And yes, it helps to hear from others that the cath isn’t bad. Hope yo ... Read more
Ginny Turner George, this is great news! And yes, it helps to hear from others that the cath isn’t bad. Hope your appointment with Dr. Gillinov goes well tomorrow, and that perhaps he can do your repair robotically. Keep us posted as you can. I feel like I’m getting a nice preview of things to come by reading your posts. Thank you!.
George Gardopee Hi Ginny. I’ll try to keep the posts coming. Regarding cath - my only advice would be to dress war ... Read more
George Gardopee Hi Ginny. I’ll try to keep the posts coming. Regarding cath - my only advice would be to dress warmly (the cath lab is cool) but unfortunately they don’t let you dress at all. I don’t think the actual procedure lasted 10 minutes. The prep was about the same. No sensation at all other than when they injected the local (lidocaine?) in my wrist where they threaded the catheter in. NO discomfort at the site afterwards or later (+ 6 hours now). Apparently at CC they do nearly all caths through the wrist, unless that fails; then they would switch to the groin. After, they kept me in a bed for about 2-3 hours until they were sure the site at the wrist didn’t bleed. They keep a pressurized clamp on it which they relaxed gradually. But, they immediately gave me water and crackers while I ordered lunch from room service. That was welcome as I hadn’t eaten or had anything to drink since the previous night. I was released after about 3 hours. No after effects that I can detect. They gave me the results immediately, too.
Ginny Turner So helpful to read your description, George. The more I learn, the more grateful I am for such an exc ... Read more
Ginny Turner So helpful to read your description, George. The more I learn, the more grateful I am for such an excellent hospital and team of doctors. I'm hoping all goes really well for you this week. So far, so good. Did you travel far for surgery? I'll be flying in and out from Texas, but others have said that was easy, too.
George Gardopee We only had a two hour drive from the Pittsburgh area, so pretty easy. Except for the snowstorm we dr ... Read more
George Gardopee We only had a two hour drive from the Pittsburgh area, so pretty easy. Except for the snowstorm we drove through on Sunday. Thanks again for your encouragement.
George Gardopee I met with Dr Gillinov this morning. Very impressive as expected. I’m sure I’m in the right hands ... Read more
George Gardopee I met with Dr Gillinov this morning. Very impressive as expected. I’m sure I’m in the right hands. The bad news for me is that minimally invasive/robotic repair is out due to calcifications in my aorta as detected by the CT scan. So, full sternotomy is the plan. Probably the fact that I had endocarditis makes this a good choice in the event he finds the valve needs to be replaced rather than repaired, although he thinks he has a good chance at a repair. I also met with anesthesiology. They were also top-notch and very reassuring. Big show starts early AM tomorrow.
Ginny Turner It's good to hear you were impressed with Dr. Gillinov and the anesthesiology team. Really helps you ... Read more
Ginny Turner It's good to hear you were impressed with Dr. Gillinov and the anesthesiology team. Really helps you feel confident about being in the best hands tomorrow. I was hoping for minimally invasive for you - sorry. But what I've told myself is that I want the safest surgery and I'll leave it up to the experts to decide that. In my case, with two valves to be repaired and a maze procedure, Dr. Gillinov's nurse said full sternotomy is the best way. I had a surgeon in Dallas say he could do all three procedures robotically, but I felt he might be pushing the envelope. He also has much higher rates of replacements vs repairs. That's what sent me to Dr. Gillinov for an opinion.
Please know you'll be in my thoughts and prayers tomorrow. You'll do great, and be eating turkey by Thanksgiving! I've only been to Pittsburgh once, but my dad was a proud graduate of Carnegie Tech. It's a beautiful area. Thanks again for your preview posts - they've helped me a lot.
Jay Heagerty George, best of luck to you for a positive outcome on Thursday!
Thanks for your message Kimberly. One of the best things about this site (for me, anyway) was seeing the stories of so many people who got to the other side of this intact and recovering well. I’m glad I have been able to keep the ball rolling.