My surgery is scheduled for tomorrow morning. I just spoke to my surgeon and finally know what the options are. I only have ...Read more
Hi Everyone,
My surgery is scheduled for tomorrow morning. I just spoke to my surgeon and finally know what the options are. I only have a short time to come to peace with one of these or to atleast give my preference. I'll start by saying below are my options since I decided I don't want any attempt at fixing my failed pulmonary valve (installed as my aortic valve via a Ross Procedure early 2024). I also don't want a mechanical valve or another bovine valve. I'll spare the full analysis on why I've decided these things but they were not quickly eliminated. Especially after seeing Cathleen Weed's past posts about going to the Edwards facility and reading how strong the Resilia tissue is. I had an Edwards bovine valve installed in 2017 and it failed prematurely so I'm worried my body doesn't like the bovine tissue. I also have a larger valve size which complicates things (the Edwards bovine valve I received previously was a 29mm).
Option 1: Install an Epic Max 25mm Valve. The hands down winner would've been the Epic Max 27mm with a stent ID of 28.4mm. A larger stent ID than the Edwards 29mm valve I originally had. However, this Aortic valve has not been approved for use in the United States. It is currently being used with good results in Europe. The Epic Max 25mm may or may not fit me well. If it is a good fit then I want it installed. If when the surgeon is sizing things it looks too small then I must decide between the next two options.
Option 2: Install an Epic Max Mitral Valve (size tbd) upside down. This is apparently something that is occasionally done when they can't find the proper valve size for an aortic prosthesis. After an initial Google search I am questioning the technique given the mitral valve has two leaflets as opposed to three. That seems to be too close to my original God given bicuspid valve although my surgeon seemed to think this was a good option. So more research needs to be done before deciding how I feel about this.
Option 3: Homograft valve, that is to have a cadaver aortic valve (presumably with root) installed. I'm told this would have a similar life span to a bioprosthetic valve. It's far less common than a Ross Procedure given they have a longer life expectancy. However, given there may not be a great porcine bioprosthetic option it should be considered. I'd love to hear from anyone that has had this done regarding their experience. I am told it would offer me the most realistic experience in so far as hemodynamics. I'm thinking it offers me the most realistic tissue valve experience my initial concern is whether my body would be at risk of rejecting it. I know that is always a risk and while my homograft pulmonary valve is working fine a year and a half after install it seems the aortic valve brings added risk with the higher pressures.
I'm sharing all this in hopes someone might weigh in with thoughts on option 2 or 3. I am fairly convinced option 1 is what I want, however, it may not fit properly in which case I need to be prepared to tell the surgeon tomorrow morning what my preferred backup plan is. If you have had either of these performed or have feelings about which you would choose please share. I need all the feedback I can get as I spend time mediating today.
Thanks,
Chris
Harry Neumann Christopher. It sounds like you are well researched on this and thanks for sharing. I cannot give yo... Read more
Harry Neumann Christopher. It sounds like you are well researched on this and thanks for sharing. I cannot give you any advice or opinions on anything cause I am just starting on my journey. I think what you are stating makes since. If something had premature failure why would you try it again? Good luck
J Alexander Lassally I have zero technical skill in these matters, but your option 2 phrased "occasionally done" does give ... Read more
J Alexander Lassally I have zero technical skill in these matters, but your option 2 phrased "occasionally done" does give pause. Also the word upside down in any sentence gives further pause. Best of luck in the decision... CC excels as you know !
Christopher Gardner Thank you. I'm definitely leaning strongly towards the homograft. I already have a homograft Pulmon ... Read more
Christopher Gardner Thank you. I'm definitely leaning strongly towards the homograft. I already have a homograft Pulmonary valve and my surgeon has done many of those procedures in the past.
J Alexander Lassally Frequency of approach counts for a ton in these matters... Square up their volumes and that should le ... Read more
J Alexander Lassally Frequency of approach counts for a ton in these matters... Square up their volumes and that should lead the way.... Best of luck
J Alexander Lassally 2mm is not that much of a delta to fit right, less than 10%, right?? Would the epic have the best re ... Read more
J Alexander Lassally 2mm is not that much of a delta to fit right, less than 10%, right?? Would the epic have the best reported durability for you? Agree, yuou dont want anymore surgeries after this.
Christopher Gardner Yeah, I think that the Epic aortic valve is my hands down first choice. It checks all the boxes from ... Read more
Christopher Gardner Yeah, I think that the Epic aortic valve is my hands down first choice. It checks all the boxes from a durability and future surgery standpoint (flex fit stent and markings make a future TAVR procedure much easier). The main issue is my surgeon knows I want the best hemodynamics and blood flow (to be as closely to what my original equipment provided as possible). Given my age and activity level it's important to me. So even though he could likely make it fit (if it is too small use a fitting of some sort to get it in there) he was suggesting we change course in that scenario and go with one of the other options.
I really wish Abbott sold the Epic Max 27mm here in the US. I'm so curious if they haven't tried or if the US Govt has not approved it for some reason. It has approval to be used in Europe which is why they list it as unavailable in some regions on their website. If anyone knows the answer to this I'd love to hear the rest of the story.
J Alexander Lassally Hmmm. Well given your history of recent surgery history, I would place durability at the absolute top ... Read more
J Alexander Lassally Hmmm. Well given your history of recent surgery history, I would place durability at the absolute top of the list... If you run at high pressures, could impact the homograft down the road and then another surgery! Good luck with this all.
My beautiful wife Christina and I were blessed with a trip to Denver Colorado earlier this month. We visited Rocky Mountain National Park. It was ...Read more
My beautiful wife Christina and I were blessed with a trip to Denver Colorado earlier this month. We visited Rocky Mountain National Park. It was such an amazing trip and will be one of the places I think about while going through my next surgery.
Christopher Gardner Yes! We saw fresh snow on the ground a couple of the places we went and it actually did sleet on us f ... Read more
Christopher Gardner Yes! We saw fresh snow on the ground a couple of the places we went and it actually did sleet on us for a little bit. I was unsure if I really needed the sweatshirt given it was in the upper 60's when we left Denver. I actually ended up very glad I took it as it was much colder up in the mountains :)
Kimberly Eisenhut I was there when my sister lived in Colorado years ago and it really is so beautiful and majestic. I' ... Read more
Kimberly Eisenhut I was there when my sister lived in Colorado years ago and it really is so beautiful and majestic. I'll be wishing you luck on your journey Christopher ❤️👍💪 You've been through so much, but you've done your homework and looks like you're going to do great! Keep us posted along the way and know you have a community of people cheering you on❤️
Rose Madura Welcome and wow have you been through it. You are doing all the right things including praying. God w ... Read more
Rose Madura Welcome and wow have you been through it. You are doing all the right things including praying. God will always answer. I will pray for you as well. I love Colorado. When we went to Pikes Peak, it was like your picture. Which, BTW, take a look at Richard's pictures with his wife Nancy. You'll see a certain similarity. Godspeed.
Kimberly Eisenhut Rose , 😂 good one about height difference! So cute 🫶
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My surgery is scheduled for tomorrow morning. I just spoke to my surgeon and finally know what the options are. I only have ...Read more
My surgery is scheduled for tomorrow morning. I just spoke to my surgeon and finally know what the options are. I only have a short time to come to peace with one of these or to atleast give my preference. I'll start by saying below are my options since I decided I don't want any attempt at fixing my failed pulmonary valve (installed as my aortic valve via a Ross Procedure early 2024). I also don't want a mechanical valve or another bovine valve. I'll spare the full analysis on why I've decided these things but they were not quickly eliminated. Especially after seeing Cathleen Weed's past posts about going to the Edwards facility and reading how strong the Resilia tissue is. I had an Edwards bovine valve installed in 2017 and it failed prematurely so I'm worried my body doesn't like the bovine tissue. I also have a larger valve size which complicates things (the Edwards bovine valve I received previously was a 29mm).
Option 1: Install an Epic Max 25mm Valve. The hands down winner would've been the Epic Max 27mm with a stent ID of 28.4mm. A larger stent ID than the Edwards 29mm valve I originally had. However, this Aortic valve has not been approved for use in the United States. It is currently being used with good results in Europe. The Epic Max 25mm may or may not fit me well. If it is a good fit then I want it installed. If when the surgeon is sizing things it looks too small then I must decide between the next two options.
Option 2: Install an Epic Max Mitral Valve (size tbd) upside down. This is apparently something that is occasionally done when they can't find the proper valve size for an aortic prosthesis. After an initial Google search I am questioning the technique given the mitral valve has two leaflets as opposed to three. That seems to be too close to my original God given bicuspid valve although my surgeon seemed to think this was a good option. So more research needs to be done before deciding how I feel about this.
Option 3: Homograft valve, that is to have a cadaver aortic valve (presumably with root) installed. I'm told this would have a similar life span to a bioprosthetic valve. It's far less common than a Ross Procedure given they have a longer life expectancy. However, given there may not be a great porcine bioprosthetic option it should be considered. I'd love to hear from anyone that has had this done regarding their experience. I am told it would offer me the most realistic experience in so far as hemodynamics. I'm thinking it offers me the most realistic tissue valve experience my initial concern is whether my body would be at risk of rejecting it. I know that is always a risk and while my homograft pulmonary valve is working fine a year and a half after install it seems the aortic valve brings added risk with the higher pressures.
I'm sharing all this in hopes someone might weigh in with thoughts on option 2 or 3. I am fairly convinced option 1 is what I want, however, it may not fit properly in which case I need to be prepared to tell the surgeon tomorrow morning what my preferred backup plan is. If you have had either of these performed or have feelings about which you would choose please share. I need all the feedback I can get as I spend time mediating today.
Thanks,
Chris
It sounds like you are well researched on this and thanks for sharing. I cannot give yo... Read more
It sounds like you are well researched on this and thanks for sharing. I cannot give you any advice or opinions on anything cause I am just starting on my journey. I think what you are stating makes since. If something had premature failure why would you try it again?
Good luck
I really wish Abbott sold the Epic Max 27mm here in the US. I'm so curious if they haven't tried or if the US Govt has not approved it for some reason. It has approval to be used in Europe which is why they list it as unavailable in some regions on their website. If anyone knows the answer to this I'd love to hear the rest of the story.